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Studio Album, released in 1976

Songs / Tracks Listing

1. A Passion Condensed (20:05)
2. Scars On The Ego (8:51)
3. Beyond The Bizarre (14:24)

Total Time: 43:20

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Line-up / Musicians

- Cleem Determeijer / keyboards
- Beer Klaasse / drums
- Joop Van Nimwegen / guitars
- Peter Vink / bass

Releases information

LP Negram NK-203 (1976)
LP Harvest SHVL-618 (Australian release) (1976)
LP Harvest (Israelian release) (1976)
CD Pseudonym CDP-1015-DD (1994)

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FINCH Beyond Expression ratings distribution


4.19
(84 ratings)
Essential: a masterpiece of progressive rock music(40%)
40%
Excellent addition to any prog rock music collection(35%)
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Review by The Owl
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5 stars Very melodic fiery and expressive instrumental symphonic prog. Joop Van Nimwegen is a very expressive guitarist, influenced by Steve Howe to a certain degree but in no way a clone. Great tunes and arrangements, recording quality not the greatest but the performances more than make up for it.

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Posted Wednesday, January 28, 2004

Review by Sean Trane
SPECIAL COLLABORATOR Prog Folk
3 stars 3.5 stars really!!!

Finch's second album certainly picked up where its predecessor had left things at, but it might just be that that they overeached themselves too. Indeed the group attacked their second album with the idea to go one further than previously, so they only did three tracks for Beyond Expression. Musically the album is tad rockier and a tad less jazzy, so you'll see more Yes-excess rather than Mahavishnu With an unchanged line-up and a cosmic "inner tripes" artwork, the group amounts the typical prog excesses they had just managed to avoid in their previous album. Don't get me wrong, unless you're playing these two albums back to back, this shouldn't be noticeable.

So, just three tracks (that's one better than the previous four) and the 20-minutes Passion Condensed (I'd hate to see the size of their passion extended ;o)p))))), the group is definitely keeping Yes in their vision, but in a pompous/bombastic way, ELP is almost in their line of fire, without sounding at all like them. Pure prog galore and yummy yumyum for the fans of such excesses.

The flipside is again more of the same, and Scars On The Ego (interesting title) it's now clear that Focus and Mahavishnu are not the focus of attention (unintended pun, but unavoidable too) of the quartet. This track starts slowly and tends to remain mid-tempo, even if Joop's guitar raises the sonic level to 11 in its second half. Van Nimwegen's influences are clearly Jan Akkerman, John McLaughlin and Steve Howe, his style is harder and sometimes this album has got me thinking of Colosseum II's debut album (without vocals), so I guess saying Gary Moore is also a possibility. The closing Beyond The Bizarre is the album highlight with plenty of drama and tempo changes

While the album sold still at respectable levels, its clear that BE was simply too close to GOIF, yet not as good either, but this is only noticeable if you compare the two actively. Still definitely worth throwing an ear on it, but remind yourself to pick it back up: it's messy for others and who knows?.. you might still need it again sometime soon. .

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Posted Monday, February 02, 2004

Review by loserboy
PROG REVIEWER Honorary Reviewer
5 stars Indispenable classic progressive rock album taking the band in a different direction than that explored on their classic debut album ("Glory Of The Inner Force") . I guess if you had 1 instrumental album to buy this year then I have your stocking stuffer kids! There are only 3 nice long songs on this album and is much more exploratory than their debut album. FINCH were well known for being an unpredictable band blending chunky hard driving parts with more spacey softer subdued interludes. Once again a fair amount of analog keyboards are utilized with some lovely moog and mellotron runs. At times FINCH sound like YES trying to perform Perpetual Change while on speed... Without a question the center piece of FINCH is the Les Paul guitar work of Joop Van Nimwegen who performs some highly technical and full bodied parts. Hard for me to pick a fav between "Glory..." and "Beyond Expression" but I would definitely put into the essential category...

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Posted Friday, March 19, 2004

Review by Steve Hegede
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5 stars FINCH released several instrumental prog albums back in the seventies before calling it a day. They were a 4-piece band consisting of bass, drums, keyboards, and guitar. Guitarist Joop Van Nimwegen leads the band through the dozens of themes in each track. Those themes tend to be melodic in a classical sort of way, yet have a theatrical hard rock influence (think Brian May in an instrumental prog rock band). The various sections range from mellow, guitar arpeggio-led, moods to heavy riffing and soloing. The keyboardist is also given plenty of room to play his various analog beasts. The closest band that I could compared FINCH to is MODRY EFEKT. Both bands were led by skilled guitarists, yet everything sounds like a band effort and the music never becomes an excuse for endless guitar noodling. Many consider "Beyond Expression" to be FINCH's best album, but there are two other albums on the market that are of equal interest.

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Review by Proghead
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4 stars For me, I don't feel "Beyond Expression" quite lives up to the greatness of "Glory of the Inner Force". Here, the band went for a less raw and aggressive, more polished production. The opening cut, "A Passion Condensed" is truly a wonderful prog masterpiece, showing the guitar talents of Joop van Nimwegen. I wished Cleem Determeijer still used a Mellotron like he did on their debut, so instead he replaced it with a Solina string synth. He still uses plenty of Hammond organ, of course. I especially like the atmospheric middle part where Determeijer used a Wurlitzer electric piao. "Scars on the Ego" is another great piece, with a bit of a more "heavy metal" approach, especially in the guitar. It's still progressive, though. But it's that last song, "Beyond the Bizarre" that I was really disappointed with. It starts off interesting enough with some spacy string synths, but the second half of the piece really turns to crap with this cheesy classical piano, and cheesy guitar licks. That last song I can barely tolerate. This would be the last album to feature Cleem Determeijer and drummer Beer Klaase. Aside from "Beyond the Bizarre", this is still worth having, but go for "Glory of the Inner Force" first.

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Posted Sunday, May 02, 2004

Review by slipperman
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4 stars Slightly less frantic and a bit more challenging, Finch's second rounds off some of the sharp edges, but it's no less adventurous than the debut. The 20-minute "A Passion Condensed" will probably stand for all time as their defining masterpiece, its mood changes and structural layers revealing themselves after many attentive listens. Each passage merges easily into the next, showing Finch at the top of their game, each member completely dialed-in and making this huge piece work. "Scars On The Ego" smashes through next, standing as their heaviest-ever track. Based around a riff that feels like pure epic metal, the middle of the song settles into a hypnotic cosmic caress before erupting in a fury of sparks and fire (thanks to the wailing punishment keyboardist Cleem Determeijer and guitarist Joop Van Nimwegen dish out to their instruments). While the title of third track "Beyond The Bizarre" would seem to indicate a wilder ride ahead, it is simply 14 minutes of typical Finch. It bounces between mellow and manic, highlighted by a joyous lightning-speed workout from the stringed instrumentalists. The middle-to-end section of this bouncy piece gives Determeijer several minutes of spotlight time before a rather dramatic ending brings things to a close. Straight piano doesn't often convince in progrock-we're totally spoiled by Moogs, Hammonds, synths, Mellotrons and such, no?-- so this section of "Beyond The Bizarre" is a bit boring, offering the only real lull on the album. Not as direct as their first, nor as refined as their third, this can probably be considered the most challenging and eventful of the three Finch albums.

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Posted Tuesday, January 04, 2005

Review by erik neuteboom
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5 stars Finch evokes very pleasant adolescent memories. I had a kind of competition with one of my best friends: "Who will discover the best prog?". In general it was me because of my fanatic attitude, close to compulsive behavior. One day he came with the LP "Beyond expression" from Finch and I was so jealous because this album could compete with the best from other Dutch masters like Focus, Trace, Earth & Fire, Ekseption and Kayak ! But what a fine coincidence that many years later, when I worked for several progrock magazines, I was invited to write the linner notes for Finch their 2-CD "The making of galleons of passion../Stage 76". As an adolescent the Finch musicians were my heroes and 20 years later I was allowed to do interviews with them in order to write a histroy of the band, A VERY EMOTIONAL EXPERIENCE! Finch has always played in the shadow of the more famous Dutch progbands Focus, Ekseption. Earth & Fire and Trace. But they were excellent musicians who created an own sound on their best album "Beyond expression". The longest suite "A passion condensed" starts bombastic with a fiery electric guitar, delicate piano and a soaring string-ensemble. It slows down and after a short bass-run the focus is on the excellent guitarplay of Joop van Nimwegen (famous Focus guitarplayer Jan Akkerman called him a great talent when he saw him on a German festival!). The music contains lots of changes in movement and climate with a strong and adventurous rhythm-section (with Chris Squire inspired bass play) and tasteful keyboards (fine solos on the ARP synthesizer and Hammond organ). Halfway a twanging electric guitar starts to blend with a Wurlitzer electric piano, a beautiful combination. Suddenly the electric guitar speeds up the rhythm to culminate in an exciting solo with lots of biting runs. Then again twanging electric guitar and electric piano, joined by another exciting electric guitar solo with inventive keyboards (organ, strings, piano). The music continues with a swinging rhythm, flights on the synthsizer and a phaser-drenched electric guitar. After a short piano break a sensational duel between a flashy synthesizer and a biting electric guitar follows. The music continues with a swinging rythm to end with a bombastic grand finale containing beautiful strings, a powerful electric guitar and a propulsive rhythm-section. Technically this music can compete with the other, more famous bands but commercially it didn't reach that sales to make a breakthrough to a wider audience, unfortunately. THIS IS A DUTCH PROGROCK CLASSIC!!

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Posted Sunday, June 26, 2005

Review by b_olariu
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4 stars For me, I don't feel "Beyond Expression" quite lives up to the greatness of what were released in the mid '70. Here, the band went for a less raw and aggressive, more polished production, than on previous one. The opening cut, "A Passion Condensed" is truly a wonderful prog masterpiece, showing the guitar talents of Joop van Nimwegen. Sometimes i feel like the pieces are to long, and you easily loose the core of the album. If were at least 5 piece and each one less longer, i might give 5 stars, but i give only 4, Finch is one of the best dutch band along with Focus, Kayak. Woth it to have in your colection.

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Review by apps79
SPECIAL COLLABORATOR Neo Prog Team
3 stars Considered as one of the top progressive rock bands ever,FINCH released their second effort in 1976...Undoubtfully tha talent of the band in all sections is obvious...Long fully instrumental compositions with tons of changing moods,nice interplays and great composition skills...They sound like an instrumental version of their native fellows FOCUS,especially in the guitar work and the more symphonic moments of the album...At times they rock dangerous blending jazz/blues/rock and symphonic in a very intense way,then is when the argentinian band CRUCIS comes to mind...The more melodic passages remind me also of CAMEL...But...

I dont know but something doesnt work very well for me to consider this disc a masterpiece or a must have...Really dont know exactly what,maybe its the comparison with the above mentioned bands which I consider a level up from FINCH...Listening to the first track I catch myself a little bored along the way...Maybe its the absence of the vocals and sometimes the good vocals make a song even better and more expressive...As for the best track I think ''Beyond the bizarre'' is the best by far...very FOCUS oriented,a little complex,a little melodic,a little jazzy,a little symphonic,it just has it all,I love it...

I'll rate this second album by FINCH with 3.5 stars and I agree with all you that this is qualitive progressive rock...Almost essential...

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Review by DamoXt7942
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5 stars Wow, what aggressive sounds!

It's so disappointing that Finch's great albums couldn't be re-released. I'm sure it's one of the most excellent progressive rock bands all over the world. The first album (Glory Of The Inner Force) has smooth but upbeat atmosphere from start to end, and this second one is more active and more aggressive. Especially, BEYOND THE BIZARRE has a very heavy and sticky face (I always say the sticky sound is like Enka, the Japanese folksong). The sticky KOBUSHI sound can drag us prog-listeners in Finch world like a drug.

But, please wait, I guess the terrific sound was born from the unstability of the group. That is, as many proggers say, the close-to-the-edge sound, isn't it?

At any rate, this album is really BEYOND EXPRESSION.

*KOBUSHI...the kind of melody in Japanese Enka

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Review by friso
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3 stars Finch - Beyond Expression (1976)

Just as the title...

Finch is one of the best Dutch symphonic prog bands, thought hey didn't have a lot of attention at the time they played. Their combination of heavyness/speed , fusion-elements, symphonic and instrumental prog has become quite legendary for it's no-nonsense approach. Guitarist Joop van Nimwegen can compote with the best of guitarst, Peter Vink actually is one of the best bass players, drummer Beer Klaasse can keep up with them and key player Cleem Determeijer did his symphonic homework very well.

On the the debut of Finch, Glory of the Inner Force, Finch had four ten minute tracks, completely instrumental. This concept worked very well, though the music was a bit to intense and non-directional for my taste to be named a masterpiece. As if this act of extreme progrock wasn't enough, Finch tried to get even more heavy on Beyond Expression. The first side is filled by A Passion Condensed. Great ideas after great ideas, technical superior to about everyone active in their field, this track just doesn't work for me. There is no form, there seems to be no direction in the track, to much noodling, to less comfortable melodies. The solo's are however great and the ideas are on itself great, the conceptual compostion is just not good enough. The recording of the quality of the record doesn't help at all by having a bad bass and a messy sound. On side two we have Scars On The Ego and Beyond the Bizarre. Both tracks have the exactly the same problem as A Passion Condensed. They sound motivated, technical bizarre, but they have no soul at all. Like this could be seen as the Dream Theater of the seventies.

Yes, though I don't like to admit it, being proud of this highly technical Dutch progband (I'm from Holland myself), the title of this album tells us exactly what is wrong with it: It's BEYOND expression.. a few steps to far, to extreme, naive. Still this is highly rewarding for proggers who like greatly inventive but intensive symphonic/jazz prog. The avarage symphoprogger might nog get into this. Three stars, but with a feeling of discontent: This could have been that perfect progrecord. Just by adding some form to the songs, some vocals would have been nice and a ballad/downtemp song could have made this a very nice experience.

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Posted Saturday, November 07, 2009

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4 stars Finch's second album, Beyond Expression, is a wonderful counterpart to Glory of the Inner Force, and continues that album's approach of producing symphonic prog from heavy, Mahavishnu Orchestra influenced instrumental performances. Once again, the band produce a highly technically accomplished album with a level of complexity a cut above what many competitors in the symphonic field were producing at the time. Once again, the sound can best be described as being reminiscent of what might happen if John McLaughlin barged his way into the Emerson, Lake and Palmer lineup and became their lead songwriter. In short, it's another four-star winner from Finch, and if you liked their first album you should definitely consider checking this one out.

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5 stars An all out progressive assault, Finch breaks the doors open with this 1976 release. Still heavily influenced by the usual symphonic groups, Finch takes this release a step further and introduces some Allman Brothers influence. It's not clear how much the group members listened to the Allmans ... (read more)

Report this review (#1054865) | Posted by Suedevanshoe | Sunday, October 06, 2013 | Review Permanlink

3 stars Beyond Expression is the second release of the Dutch instrumental-only sympho proggers Finch. Finch prooved with their near-excellent debut "The Glory of the Inner Force" that they belong to Holland's finest 70's prog artists with a sound between Focus, Camel and Yes with the speed of Mahavishnu ... (read more)

Report this review (#894070) | Posted by the philosopher | Tuesday, January 15, 2013 | Review Permanlink

4 stars I find this album to be a little more symphonic than the debut. It's also a little less jazzy, a little softer and a little slower. But, that doesn't mean it is not as good. I think I like this one a little bit more than the debut, but both are excellent. We still have excellent instrumental ... (read more)

Report this review (#174501) | Posted by digdug | Thursday, June 19, 2008 | Review Permanlink

5 stars An excellent album, but strangely(?) though, the live versions seemed always better... As always: dutch albums suffered from incompetent producers, that tried to smooth, better smother, the sharp edges. On the other hand: their third album was produced by a UK-guy called Sandy Roberton(?), and t ... (read more)

Report this review (#149453) | Posted by elwin | Wednesday, November 07, 2007 | Review Permanlink

4 stars I got this album through mail order for $16,and I was not dissapointed.I would say that this is still comparable with ''Glory of Inner Force'',but with a more progressive edge,along the lines of a heavier YES.The album kicks off with the 20 minute song''A Passion Condensed'',which is a guitar ... (read more)

Report this review (#111723) | Posted by jasonpw. | Monday, February 12, 2007 | Review Permanlink

5 stars What a fantastic prog band these guys were! It's a real shame they were utterly unknown outside their own country. They are a progressive rock fan's dream band - they have it all - the instrumental super-skills, the ability to construct complex, lengthy, highly melodic, symphonic pieces fille ... (read more)

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5 stars GoinŽdutch ?? Well yeah..after this wonderfull experience...FINCH.... ist a Dutch prog group in the Focus wein.....instrumental..and beautifully so.... guitar,keyboards,drums and bass.....full tilt ahead...imagine Focus on speed!! No..really....this is first rate prog...virtuoso guitarplaying.... ... (read more)

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