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JOURNEY is a American band who started playing in the early months of '73 in San Francisco. The music of JOURNEY is divided in 2 parts, the one from early 1973 'till 1977 when guitarist Neal Schon and keyboardist Gregg Rolie, both of Santana fame, met with bassist Ross Valory and drummer Prairie Prince from The Tubes (replaced later by Aynsley Dunbar) in the summer of 1974. Their music back then was jazz rock with progressive elements and fusion interplays , instrumental passages being pretty much top notch thanks to Neal Schon's driving riffs and solid bass lines of Valory, while the keyboards (still mostly the Hammond organ) of Rollie was something "á la Santana" but less latino-inspired.

In the first period the vocal parts were done by Gregg Rollie and sometimes by Schon. In this line-up Journey was recorded, in 1975. But since the mid '70's was no more a period of jazz rock or progressive music, these musical styles being considered uninteresting. Journey's first 3 albums (Journey from 1975, Look into the future 1976 and Next 1977) sold very poorly and largely ignored by the public and mass media. Their CBS label also initially expecyted sales in the Santana range.

This thing will change next year, in 1978, when it is considered that the band stepped into a new period, the second one. After three albums that were considered dissapointing sales-wise, but were in fact Journey's most progressive ones from the entire discography, Journey hired a better vocalist - Steve Perry. Actually the change was mostly enforced by CBS, or else they would drop the band's recording contract. The results were immediately felt on the fourth album, Infinity, released in 1978, who was sold in over one million copies, more than the previous albums altogether. But the sound changes were almost dramatic. From that jazz-fusion progressive music they turned in an AOR - hard rock band, not far from what FOREIGNER, STYX or BOSTON played during the same period.

Dunbar left because of this new musical direction (rumours is that he was fired for his British rowdiness and backstage antics) and was replaced by Steve Smith. The next albums Evolution (1979) and Departure (1980) had a similar success, and Journey released hit after hit. In this time Rolie was replaced by Jonathan Cain. The peak of their career was and remains the most sold album of the band Escape from 1981, with no less that 9 million records sold wor...
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  • Journey at MTS Centre, Winnipeg on 6 Jul 2015
  • Journey at Rogers Arena, Vancouver on 11 Jul 2015
  • Journey at Rexall Place, Edmonton on 18 Jul 2015
  • Journey on 21 Jul 2015
  • Journey at K-Rock Centre, Kingston, ON on 26 Jul 2015
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JOURNEY discography


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JOURNEY top albums (CD, LP, MC, SACD, DVD-A, Digital Media Download)

3.37 | 103 ratings
Journey
1975
2.95 | 71 ratings
Look Into The Future
1976
2.91 | 68 ratings
Next
1977
2.79 | 79 ratings
Infinity
1978
2.07 | 77 ratings
Evolution
1979
2.61 | 68 ratings
Departure
1980
3.29 | 43 ratings
Dream After Dream
1980
2.71 | 98 ratings
Escape
1981
2.81 | 79 ratings
Frontiers
1983
2.39 | 63 ratings
Raised On Radio
1986
2.65 | 54 ratings
Trial By Fire
1996
2.58 | 35 ratings
Arrival
2001
2.57 | 30 ratings
Generations
2005
3.14 | 40 ratings
Revelation
2008
3.75 | 38 ratings
Eclipse
2011

JOURNEY Live Albums (CD, LP, MC, SACD, DVD-A, Digital Media Download)

3.34 | 33 ratings
Captured
1981
3.54 | 13 ratings
Greatest Hits Live
1998

JOURNEY Videos (DVD, Blu-ray, VHS etc)

3.00 | 6 ratings
Live:2001
2001
3.53 | 9 ratings
Greatest Hits DVD 1978-1997
2003
3.80 | 11 ratings
Live in Houston 1981: Escape Tour
2005
3.40 | 10 ratings
Live In Manila
2009

JOURNEY Boxset & Compilations (CD, LP, MC, SACD, DVD-A, Digital Media Download)

2.82 | 24 ratings
Greatest Hits
1988
3.83 | 10 ratings
In The Beginnig
1990
3.17 | 10 ratings
Time 3
1992
2.88 | 13 ratings
the Essential Journey
2001
2.00 | 2 ratings
Greatest Hits 2
2011

JOURNEY Official Singles, EPs, Fan Club & Promo (CD, EP/LP, MC, Digital Media Download)

3.20 | 5 ratings
When You Love A Woman
1996
2.45 | 9 ratings
Red 13 (EP)
2002

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 Next by JOURNEY album cover Studio Album, 1977
2.91 | 68 ratings

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Review by Artpop

4 stars

As the Bicentennial eclipsed into the denim clad, brown-out year of 1977, the American rock landscape was changing quickly. Punk had made a big dent on the media psyche, championed by pointy-nosed critics and record execs looking for the next big thing. Adding to the upheaval the birth of AOR radio was in play, riding high with Boston's glorious debut and 'Frampton Comes Alive!'. The public's taste for prog rock and extended jams seemed to be effectively over although apparently Journey never got the memo. Their manager, the ever colorful Herbie Herbert understood, feeling some not exactly subtle nudging from CBS who applied pressure when 'Next' out of the starting gate, failed to chart significantly.

It's not too hard to understand the label's position since there really wasn't anything they could seriously push as a single. Released in February and pitted against the top 20 of that month which included Aerosmith's 'Walk This Way', 'Year of the Cat' and Manfred Mann's 'Blinded by the Light' not to mention the unleashing of Fleetwood Mac's soft rock monster 'Rumours' which was only beginning to eat up the charts; 'Spaceman', decent song that it was sounded downright boring. The remainder of the album is a wild guitar extravaganza with both Neal Schon and Gregg Rolie chipping in on vocal duties. As a guitarist Schon has few peers but here he sounds like a bird set free with blazing fretwork on the rolling fusion of 'People' and the smoking hot 'Hustler'. The title track is possibly the best cut here but it pales in comparison to the live versions heard on the 1978-79 tours with Steve Perry sharing lead vocals.

Journey spent the early part of the year on the road as both headliner and support act to a wide range of groups including Black Sabbath, Kansas, Outlaws, Boston, Styx and even pomp rockers Angel and Starcastle before picking up vocalist Robert Fleischman for a change of direction. That didn't exactly work out as planned with Perry brought in as a ruse on a smattering of dates with ELP before Fleischman was fired. The rest is history.

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 Escape by JOURNEY album cover Studio Album, 1981
2.71 | 98 ratings

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Review by Losimba

3 stars Songwriting-wise, Escape contains eight songs that are somewhere between ok and good, and two classics. Production-wise, it is exactly what one can expect from Journey. Performance-wise, the same is true for Neal Schon, Steve Smith and Ross Valory, while Jonathan Cain gives his debut on this album if I recall correctly. And hey, the man can play the piano! Elton John is no match, and while celebrities like Ivo Pogorelich may interpret Tchaikowsky's Piano Concerto No. 1 more magnificently, I'm not sure whether they are able or even interested to attempt Don't Stop Believin' or the intro to Who's Crying Now. Add Steven Perry's characteristic voice and the album has everything a good rock album needs.

You'd like to know which two songs I rate as classics: Well, the two I mentioned above, with the first having the best lyrics Journey have ever written and the latter made close to immortal by this magical guitar solo at the end. I just don't understand why this song is third instead of last on the playlist.

Rating-wise I'm struggling around the 3.5 star mark. While there are two great songs on the album, they are only two great songs out of ten, so I can't really justify 4 stars and will settle for 3 here and give 3.5 over on metalmusicarchives.

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 Trial By Fire by JOURNEY album cover Studio Album, 1996
2.65 | 54 ratings

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Review by Tarcisio Moura
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4 stars After more than ten years since their last studio album (1985īs Raised On Radio) Journey came back with the classic line up of Steve Perry, Neil Schon, Jonathan Cain, Ross Valory and Steve Smith. Surprisingly Trial By Fire did not get much airplay or TV exposure as before: the times had changed and both critics and the MTV were in love and/or mourning grunge and alternative pop. The highly polished and melodic rock of Journey had no room in the 90īs (or so some people thought). The lack of a tour also didnīt help matters (see below).

Which is really a pity since the new album showed the band had lost none of their fire neither the capacity of writing great songs. they were open minded enough to bring in a new producer (Kevin Shirley) and a few recent influences too. Not that Trial By Fire is a perfect album. with more than 70 minutes of running time it showed not only their versatility but also a slightly unbalanced tracklist that would sure benefit from the dropping of a couple of ballads. However, there are no real fillers and even the weakest songs are not bad. In fact, there are very strong ones that I was quite surprised didnīt get the attention they deserved, like the powerful opener Message Of Love, the surprisingly heavy Castles Burning and the ethereal Colors Of The Spirit. Other highlights are the mid-tempo rocker One More and the title track. In all, a very good album.

Unfortunately, there would be no tour to promote the album: Steve Perry had a hip injury that seems to take forever to heal (other sources claim his voice was not up to previous standards and he was not taking chances). When the rest of the band decided they would not wait any more, it was too late to save the project (though Trial By Fire would still sell enough through the years to eventually reach platinum status). They got another singer and Steve Smith, who thought the come back was meaningless without Perry, quit. They would soldier on, but thatīs another story.

With a superb production, a beautiful cover, very good songs and an energetic performance, Trial By Fire shows a band that, contrary to most contemporaries, had enough power and ideas to justify totally their comeback as a creative force. While not as successful as their previous efforts, it stood very well the test of time (just like the others). If you like sophisticated melodic rock, you canīt go wrong with this CD. Rating: something between 3.5 and 4 stars.

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 Raised On Radio by JOURNEY album cover Studio Album, 1986
2.39 | 63 ratings

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Review by Tarcisio Moura
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3 stars Two years after Frontiers came Raised On Radio. And by then, boy, the musical scene had changed a lot, with most AOR groups disbanding and/or losing ground quickly to British new wavers like Duran Duran and Culture Club or to heavy metal bands, from thrash to glam. ROR sounds a lot like the band trying hard to adapt to the new styles, with lots of synths and a very slick production. So much so that they found that they didnīt need a jazzy drummer like Steve Smith, who was dismissed during the recording sessions (although he was credit on 3 songs). Bassist and founding member Ross Valory claims that, tired of ego clashes within the group, decided to leave before the sessions started. Both places were taken by session musicians.

So the band was reduced to the hardcore trio of Steve Perry, Neal Schon and Jonathan Cain, all prime songwriters of the band. Production duties were taken by Perry, who pretty much ran the show here. And it comes as no surprise when Raised On Radio sounds more like Perryīs solo project than actually a Journey album. The savior factor was the fact that the songwriting department still retained much of their former magic: songs like Girl Canīt Helped It, Iīll be Alright Without You and Be Good To Yourself are typical Journey stuff, full of great melodies, power and stunning performances of all involved. Suzanne, Once You Love Somebody and It Could Have Been You are nice, but quite different and maybe a little too close to the 80īs pop cliche. Still, none of the tracks are crap and the fact that Perry is singing better than ever do help matters a lot.

After several spins you get the feeling that Raised On Radio does not achieve that energetic and fresh approach Journey used to a few years before. Itīs the first Journey album since Next that sounds a bit dated. As good as the songs are, the plastic synth sounds and the monochromatic drums on much of the tracks take away some of the former charm they once had in spades.

Rating: 3 stars. Good melodic album, but they have done better ones.

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 Frontiers by JOURNEY album cover Studio Album, 1983
2.81 | 79 ratings

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Review by Tarcisio Moura
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4 stars Frontiers was the follow up of Journeyīs bestselling album Escape and it came two years after that, showing that the years of constant touring were beginning to take their toll. Still, the new LP only proved the classic line up was indeed their best incarnation and that they were at the peak of their writing and performing powers. A few songs here do remind me of Escapeīs style, but in general Frontiers is quite different from their mega seller. Jonathan Cain had relied a lot on piano and guitar for his contribution on Escape,m and here he is mostly handling a lot of synthesizers, while the rest of the band decided to give a heavier and more progressive sheen on the songs.

They could have followed the winning formula of a ballad for their first single but decided instead to release the more uptempo, synth-soaked, Separate Ways (Worlds Apart). Even if Frontiers did not produce an iconic tune like Donīt Stop Believinī, overall this album is more varied, bold and progressive than the previous one. Steve Perry sings in different registers several songs, sounding specially aggressive in the Led Zeppelin-like Back Talk to the very high notes of the slightly jazzy After The Fall. Above all we have the great talent of Neal Schon: his guitar licks and solos as creative and tasteful as ever. Even the rhythm section of Ross Valory and Steve Smith are better than before.

Although only Separate Ways and the ballad Faithfully became big hits, this is the typical case where the album has a lot more to offer than its most known songs. With a perfect production and no fillers, this is a classic AOR album and it came right at the time when the genre was starting to wane.

Unfortunately this would be also the last record done by the classic line up. But what a last work it was! If the genre progressive melodic rock was considered for PA, this would be a five star, masterpiece, case. Frontiers stands as the most progressive album done by Journey during the Steve Perry period. Small wonder it is their best too.

If you like melodic rock with lots of progressive influences you canīt miss this one. To listen without prejudice.

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 Escape by JOURNEY album cover Studio Album, 1981
2.71 | 98 ratings

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Escape
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Review by Tarcisio Moura
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4 stars Who could predict that Gregg Rolieīs substitute would take Journey to even a bigger success than the one they already had since Steve Perry joined the band? Ex Babys keyboards player may not have the same background as Roliés but he showed that he was a force to be reckoned of since the get go, specially at the songwriting department. He simply co-wrote the whole album with Perry and Neal Schon Proving that he was more than just a musician capable of stepping into the shoes of Journeyīs founder member. With him the band reached the top spot on the charts and released a classic AOR/melodic rock album.

Ok, thereīs very little of progressive music here (the mini epic Mother/Father, with its odd time signatures, different chord progressions and elaborated arrangement is the closest they got from that categorization) and that was never their intention. What they delivered was an album full of inspired, simple rock songs and soulful ballads, all of them benefiting from the technique and talent of the great musicians they all have proved to be several times. I specially point out the tremendous power and creativity of Schon, a very original and underrated guitarist.

With a very good production, excellent tunes with no fillers and an energetic performance of all involved (but mostly from singer extraordinaire Perry) this is clearly one of the best AOR albums ever made and deservedly became their bestselling collection of all original material of their career (more than 9 million albums in the US alone). And like their recent output, this one still sounds brilliant and exciting even after all these years: songs like the iconic Donīt Stop Belivinī, Whoīs Crying Now, Still They Ride, Escape and the aforementioned Mother, Father simply show why Journey became king of the genre. Really, no one could dispute their crown at the time.

Rating: if PA was a Melodic rock site, this would surely be a 5 star case, but since it is not and there is so little prog rock cliches involved, a four star is more fitting rating. I still like to listen to this album once in a while between my usual forays into symphonic and other prog genres we love so much.

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 Captured by JOURNEY album cover Live, 1981
3.34 | 33 ratings

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Captured
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Review by Tarcisio Moura
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4 stars Journey was always known as a tremendous stage band and toured constantly throughout its career, so it is odd that for over 18 years, Captured was their only live recording. Recorded after their Departure CD, this is also the last time founder member Gregg Rolie (keyboards, vocals) appeared on a Journey record. So it seems it was put out while the band was still adapting to their new member Jonathan Cain (who was appointed to the band by Rolie himself). Although the blow was hard, it would also sign the peak of the groupīs career, so Captured kind of close an era for the band. A middle period where Steve Perry joined in and Rolie was still one of the mainstays of the band., between their former jazz rock roots and their mega success with Cain.

Recorded mostly in Detroit, with some material coming also from Quebec and Tokyo, Captured itīs an excellent display of how good Journey was live: their playing is energetic, but note perfect, with some songs being elongated, but not much. Itīs surprising that no long jamming was included since their jazz rock past should make some believe they would do that. Their perfectionism is evident by the tight vocal harmonies they reproduce live with apparent ease. the repertoire is totally based on their LPs done with Perry and there are much more rockers than ballads around (contrary to their recent albums). As a bonus there are two new songs: a live rendition of the rocking Dixie Highway (a tune they would never release a studio version) and the middle paced The Party Is Over (Hopelessly in Love), which was recorded after Rolie left the band, but before Cain joined, and thus featuring a studio musician, Steve Roseman, handling keyboards duties. Nice additions, both songs.

If you want to know why the band is so beloved by the fans, just listen to their powerful performances and see how good they were on stage then (and now too, but thatīs another story). One of the few groups that used their tremendous talent and skill to enhance the music and could take any of their songs to a live environment and make them at least as good as the studio counterparts. Some did sound even better.

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 Departure by JOURNEY album cover Studio Album, 1980
2.61 | 68 ratings

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Departure
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Review by Tarcisio Moura
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3 stars 3.5 stars, really. Not as good as the previous two, but still a very fine AOR/melodic rock album with some prog influences. Once again a great showcase of the talented (and very underrated) guitarist and songwriter Neal Schon and vocalist extraordinaire Steve Perry. AS usual the repertoire is quite varied, showing they didnīt stick to the successful formula. Oh, I only wish the radio played such sophisticated pop music nowadays! The subtle arrangements, the magnificent guitar solos, the great melodies! Small wonder when Journey arrived at the charts they were soon the kings of the AOR movement!

The sad side of this story is that Departure would be the last studio album to feature founder member Gregg Rolie, who grew tired of the constant touring. But still he does a fine job here, even if in a somewhat subdue form. The album contains some of Journeyīs most popular songs like the opener Any Way You Want It ( quite a big hit for a rocker then) and Stay Awhile, but my favorite song is Someday Soon, a great ballad with some fine harmonies. A pity that it is such a forgotten track. Although the album has some weaker tunes (Homemade Love is definitly one of them), none is crap.

Once again the production is top notch and the album still sounds fresh and strong after all these years. If you like high caliber AOR/melodic rock this is a a nice pick.

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 Evolution by JOURNEY album cover Studio Album, 1979
2.07 | 77 ratings

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Evolution
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Review by Tarcisio Moura
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4 stars Itīs easy to criticize Journey for changing styles and going pop, specially if they were successful (a lot people canīt stand other peopleīs success). But letīs face it: they were a competent jazz rock fusion band for a time, but never an outstanding one. Theyīd be soon gone forever if they insisted on that course. On the other hand, very few bands could deliver such terrific melodic pop prog songs like them. Many, many have tried and very few succeeded. On other words, Journey was much better off writing melodic rock than jazz rock and thatīs it. Why should they do otherwise? If they were not good pop songwriters they would never be as big as they were, nor for that long, no matter how hard they tried.

Anyway, by 1979 their first Steve Perry era LP has sold over 4 million copies around the world without a hit single and without a lot of radio airplay, due much to their strategy of constant touring and looking for alternative ways to promote their songs. (even though Evolution would yield the groupīs first "true" hit single, reaching the top 20 with the bluesy Lovinī, Touchinī, Squeezin') But according to several sources drummer Aynsley Dunbarīs playing was quite erratic during the last tour to Europe and tensions within the group led Journey to fire him and invite Montroseīs Steve Smith to join in. The group was not very willing to hire Roy Thomas Baker to produce again, but in the end they decided to let him back. the resulting album is pretty much in the same vein as the the previous one, proving that the success of Infinity was no fluke. The songwriting kept more or less the same formula, with shorter songs, using their tremendous musicianship to enhance the tunes, not to overshadow them. As usual the solos are there, short, ok, but still original and inspired. More and more it was obvious that Journey was becoming Schonīs group, with Gregg Rolieīs role diminishing even further (he sings lead vocalsl on only one song). Still, the work was very cohesive and tight and, except for a couple of weaker tunes, the tracklist was again excellent throughout the CD. Newbie Smith did a fine job too, proving the change was a good move after all. Like Infinity, Evolution still sounds as fresh and energetic now as it did back then.

If you like first class AOR/melodic rock with several prog bits you canīt miss this one. However, if you rather hear the bandīs second rate jazz rock leanings of their first 3 releases, stay away from this one as much as you can. The band had found their own personality and would never look back again. To my ears Journey sounds much more convincing with the new direction than on any time before that.

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 Infinity by JOURNEY album cover Studio Album, 1978
2.79 | 79 ratings

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Infinity
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Review by Tarcisio Moura
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4 stars After three reasonable good albums, in the jazz-rock/fusion (with a touch of pop) style the group had failed to meet the recording company expectations in terms of commercial sales. With the punk movement being the critics new darlings and the disco phenomenon ruling the charts, there was little room for this kind of music in 1978. So Columbia was ready to drop them and forget it all. But Herbie Herbert, Journeyīs manager, convinced them to give another shot if they tried a different approach and assign the group with a lead singer. So it was their last chance.

At first the hired singer was Robert Fleischman for some time, and by all accounts he seemed to fit well, but since Herbert didnīt get along with him (and found another vocalist) he decided that it was better to change things. Interestingly enough, neither the band nor the new guy (one Steve Perry) were initially interested. But the tough manager insisted and eventually they all relented and hired Perry. Fleischman did however got credited on some tracks on the forthcoming album, including the bandīs biggest hit until then, Wheel In The Sky.

So it is really hard to believe that such ruthless move could ever had worked, but in the end it became the push Journey needed so desperately. Tired of producing the albums themselves they also chose the right producer for the job, Roy Thomas Baker (of Queen fame), who helped them define the new route they took.

Iīm still in awe of how the band managed to deliver such a piece of fine AOR/melodic rock under such circumstances. They proved they were even more versatile as songwriters than before, crafting perfect songs with a sophisticated edge on all of them. Contrary to some people believe to write such material is no easy task: countless of others tried the same trick and failed. Journey proved they could produce radio friendly stuff that was also original and elaborated, toning down the soloing (but not dropping it) and enhancing the vocal parts. Most of all they finally found a style of their own, liked it or not.

Although far from perfect, Infinity shows a very tight band and everything here fits (contrary to the rather jagged two previous ones). Gregg Rolie still sings two lead vocals, but it is clear that he is no match to the newcomer. Steve Perry is definitely one of the great voices of rock, a one of a kind type of vocalist and will influence a whole generation of aspiring crooners (including one James LaBrie, future member of Dream Theater).

Of the songs here my all time favorite is Wheel In The Sky, a great showcase for all band members. Itīs great technique and talent used in small doses, just enough to highlight the songīs strong points and not to overblown it. Winds of March is another strong tune with prog hints all over it. The remaining tracks are not as powerful, but still at least above average. I agree with most critics who said the album has maybe a ballad or two too many, but still the repertoire is stronger than anything theyīve done before. And much better than most of the stuff that was playing in the radio at the time.

Even after 30 years, Infinity still sounds fresh and convincing, while their earlier stuff is hopelessly dated. Of course I know this album will never be favored by the average prog fan, but anyone who loves a good melody, tasteful arrangements, terrific performances and perfect crafted prog pop songs will enjoy this CD very much.

Rating: for a prog site I guess 4 stars seems too much, and a 3,5 rating should be more fitting, but personally I still think it is an excellent album so 4 stars it is.

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