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DEVIN TOWNSEND

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DEVIN TOWNSEND, possibly more widely known as the frontman for the extreme metal act STRAPPING YOUNG LAD, began creating solo albums in 1997.

Sometimes referred to as the 'Mad Scientist of Metal', TOWNSEND produces a wide variety of music. This ranges from soft ambience designed, as he has stated, to put the listener to sleep, to high levels of thrash and extreme metal reminiscent of SYL.
His works often feature a 'wall of sound', built by adding many layers of guitars and keyboards that are playing in unison or harmony. The end result is a number of carefully produced and mixed albums that favor high-end sound systems.

His first solo album, 'Ocean Machine: Biomech' (1997), was actually originally simply titled 'Biomech' and the band project labeled OCEAN MACHINE. However, on subsequent releases in most countries, the one-shot band name was incorporated into the title, and TOWNSEND's name was affixed to the record. Next came his first solo album proper, 1998's 'Infinity'. However, diagnosed with bipolar disorder and suffering with severe depression, TOWNSEND left the album only partly finished, filling in the song gaps with other demos. Rebounding from this struggle, he wrote 'Physicist' in 2000, creating a sort of pop-metal release featuring the members of his band STRAPPING YOUNG LAD. His 2001 project, 'Terria', features some of his most complicated and deep production, incorporating many sounds from nature into the recording, and stands as one of his most well-known and most critically acclaimed albums.

His next solo project, THE DEVIN TOWNSEND BAND, began in 2003 with the release of 'Accelerated Evolution'. Adding drummer Ryan Van Poederooyen, guitarist Brian Waddell, bassist Mike Young, and keyboardist Dave Young, TOWNSEND decided to start releasing albums once more with a full-time band rather than merely studio musicians. Taking a dramatic turn from the style of 'Terria', TOWNSEND adopted a much more band-oriented feel, reducing the amount of atmosphere and increasing the level of accessibility of the music.

As a side project during this time, TOWNSEND stitched together the fierce ambient 'Devlab' album in 2004. The line-up of THE DEVIN TOWNSEND BAND continued for several years as a functional touring outfit. The collaboration concluded with the 2006 album 'Synchestra' - though this release marked the first time the same lineup had been present for two albums in a row. That same year, he released 'The Hummer', another ...
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DEVIN TOWNSEND discography


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DEVIN TOWNSEND top albums (CD, LP, MC, SACD, DVD-A, Digital Media Download)

4.06 | 213 ratings
Ocean Machine: Biomech
1997
3.65 | 158 ratings
Infinity
1998
3.03 | 112 ratings
Physicist
2000
4.21 | 511 ratings
Terria
2001
3.89 | 181 ratings
Accelerated Evolution (The Devin Townsend Band)
2003
2.27 | 58 ratings
Devlab
2004
4.02 | 279 ratings
Synchestra (The Devin Townsend Band)
2006
2.61 | 58 ratings
Hummer
2006
4.19 | 429 ratings
Ziltoid the Omniscient
2007
3.81 | 255 ratings
Ki (Devin Townsend Project)
2009
3.86 | 262 ratings
Addicted (Devin Townsend Project)
2009
3.87 | 357 ratings
Deconstruction (Devin Townsend Project)
2011
3.78 | 287 ratings
Ghost (Devin Townsend Project)
2011
3.92 | 240 ratings
Epicloud (Devin Townsend Project)
2012
3.79 | 75 ratings
Casualties of Cool
2014

DEVIN TOWNSEND Live Albums (CD, LP, MC, SACD, DVD-A, Digital Media Download)

3.41 | 17 ratings
Official Bootleg
1999
3.62 | 21 ratings
Unplugged
2011
4.25 | 39 ratings
By A Thread - Live In London 2011
2012
4.62 | 27 ratings
The Retinal Circus
2013

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4.43 | 23 ratings
The Retinal Circus
2013

DEVIN TOWNSEND Boxset & Compilations (CD, LP, MC, SACD, DVD-A, Digital Media Download)

3.24 | 17 ratings
Ass Sordid Demos I
1999
3.27 | 11 ratings
Ass Sordid Demos II
2004
3.86 | 21 ratings
Contain Us
2011

DEVIN TOWNSEND Official Singles, EPs, Fan Club & Promo (CD, EP/LP, MC, Digital Media Download)

3.51 | 30 ratings
Christeen + 4 Demos
1999

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 Casualties of Cool by TOWNSEND, DEVIN album cover Studio Album, 2014
3.79 | 75 ratings

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Casualties of Cool
Devin Townsend Experimental/Post Metal

Review by javajeff

5 stars If you enjoy the mellow side of Devin Townsend from his extensive catalog, you cannot go wrong with this release. It is a magical release consisting of 15 tracks, 28 if you get the Deluxe version. The tracks blend together, and not all of them have vocals. It is a very atmospheric sounding album with a slight infusion of blues. With all that said, it does contain some of Devin's mad genius in the track Deathscope for example. Although it is atmospheric, there is nothing about it that is boring. There are layers and layers of music and sound effects that keep you guessing on first listen. This will definitely be a release to listen to through headphones, and you can pick up new things each time. Ché Aimee Dorval deserves credit for some amazing vocals and harmonies. Her performance is flawless. The two of them sound like they were meant to do this album together, and it works in every imaginable way. If you enjoy Devin Townsend or progressive music, you will find something to like in this release. Expect to be entertained in an aural circus.

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 Ocean Machine: Biomech by TOWNSEND, DEVIN album cover Studio Album, 1997
4.06 | 213 ratings

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Ocean Machine: Biomech
Devin Townsend Experimental/Post Metal

Review by Raccoon

5 stars Besides a few songs from Terria, Ocean Machine was my first endeavor into the Bizarre World of Devin Townsend. This holds no bias though, as I honestly believe this debut is a masterpiece. I hold it higher than Terria, even. Recently, (a year back) I've become obsessed with the Mad Scientist of Metal, so in dedication to him, I thought I'd spread awareness about this contagion. This addiction. Why not start at the beginning?

After Sex & Religion's massive success (gold-status in Japan), Devin was recommended by his A&R rep to start his own label; get his name out. In return, he created the strange and eclectic Ocean Machine. Through the rage he displayed in Heavy as a Really Heavy Thing and City (a few months before), he created an album that channeled that anger, while at the same time entering a spacey scene.

Ocean Machine revolves around a cold, industrial tone. Think of Porcupine Tree's Stupid Dream, a bold move with some fans embracing the change, while others yearning for more of the same. Strapping Young Lad never interested me, so this was a WELCOMED change.

Throughout the album's course, I find it more 'Heavy Rock' rather than Metal. "Seventh Wave" starts us off with heavy guitars, kicking drums, and Devin's multitude of emotion shown through his vocals. His voice belts extended yells and the heavenly "Ahhhhh!!"

"Life" displays an alternative-friendly sound, "Who we are, what we are! I'll see you on the other side!" This in no way means this song is dull, or 'poppy', but it means it's extremely catchy.

"Night" features the tough side of Devin's vocals, anger-fueled and excited. Not for the light-hearted. There's a break in the chorus, a sense of relief as he says, "Falling down?" and that's repeated at the end, leaving you relieved.

"Hide Nowhere" is one of my favorites. Easily. Quick guitar riffs, plenty of cymbals. Then it leads up to a frenzy of Devin vocal layerings, reminiscent of Gentle Giant. Such a memorable track.

"Sister" is short, sweet, and (as most have stated already) a nice break from the fast-paced guitar-drum work. Calm guitar, icy keyboards, smooth vocals. Many disregard this track, but you need diversity in a metal album or it becomes tiring or annoying. Opeth does it right also, breaks in-between the dense, metal sound. If there wasn't, I probably couldn't listen to the album (Opeth and Townsend alike) in its entirety.

"3 A.M." continues on this path, where "Sister" left off. Again, great keyboard work calmer than "Sister" even. This leads up to "Voices In The Fan," opening with heavier riffs and Devin's signature yelling. This all follows a steady beat, every word stated clearly to add emphasis, which makes it catchy and powerful. Ends peacefully; a moment of silence, and a choir comes in.

"Greetings" has a build-up of magnificent proportions in its short length. "Regulator" is a complex, punchy (while still being spacey) song with a drum beat pausing between each beat. Nearly impossible to not headbang, just try to contain a slight head-nod. Rough vocals, rough guitar, and occasional keyboard-backing.

"Funeral" starts off reminding me of OK Computer, a silky, electronic-induced keyboard. Following with a mellow, steady guitar riff, soaring vocals. May take some time for first-timers of this album, could seem too slow to them. Soon, you'll learn to love the totality of its 8-minute length. The last minute features a Gilmour-like guitar, a perfect ending.

"Bastard" goes through various tempos, various emotions of Devin's voice, perhaps the most passionate display of his vocal-work. It's mainly based around his lyrics and his voice setting the mood, like Van der Graaf.

Last but not least, and let's make this clear: CERTAINLY not least, is "The Death of Music." A haunting track consisting of (what sounds like) sound clips of conversations. Over this, is Devin's strained voice: "And things I am, are things that should not be." This builds to a grandeur of keyboards, airy guitars, and that same programmed drum beat throughout. That rattle. Then, in a moment of seeming clarity, he sings (in an almost operatic-fashion): "It's like a death!! Becomes musical, musical..." The laughing and conversations continue again, little jokes like, "F**k you, okay, eh?" and the programmed drums continue... It seems simple, or silly, but this'll stay with you forever. That same beat surrounding the song.

Townsend has stated on his website (hevydevy.com) that he's "very proud of this album, and has a very obvious 'blue' feeling to me." Every album's unique in Devin's discography, though this'll always remain as one of my favorites. It changed the game for Devin, venturing further than just metal. The music had an atmosphere to it, and explored a whole new territory.

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 The Retinal Circus by TOWNSEND, DEVIN album cover Live, 2013
4.62 | 27 ratings

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The Retinal Circus
Devin Townsend Experimental/Post Metal

Review by UMUR
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5 stars "The Retinal Circus" is a live album release by Canadian progressive rock/metal artist Devin Townsend. The album was released through HevyDevy Records in September 2013. "The Retinal Circus" is both available in audio format and on DVD/Blu-ray. The 25 tracks, 2 hours long show was recorded/filmed on the 27th of October 2012 at Roundhouse, Chalk Farm, London. The show was a one-off, which took a year of pre-production. The show was divided into two parts with an intermission in between.

As "The Retinal Circus" is meant to be a celebration of Devin Townsend's, at the time, 20-year musical career, the tracklist features tracks from quite a few of his releases. There are even two Strapping Young Lad tracks included, which also feature Jed Simon on additional guitars. Anneke van Giersbergen (ex-The Gathering) also guests and contributes female vocals on some tracks. The band consists of Devin Townsend on guitars , vocals, keyboards, Ryan Van Poederooyen on drums, Mike Young on bass and Dave Young on guitars. High level musicianship all around. These guys are skilled and execute Devin Townsend's music to perfection. Not in a clinical way though, as the live versions of the tracks are different enough from the original studio tracks to warrant releasing a live album and more organic sounding too.

"The Retinal Circus" has what I'd characterize as a great flow. The song selection, and the way the dreamlike concept of the event is put together, work really well. There is generally a good response from the audience throughout the concert and Devin is always good for a couple of hilarious/silly or mindbending commetaries. It's one of those live shows where you, as a listener, can feel the good energy that was at the concert venue on that particular night.

...and that's it. "The Retinal Circus" is about as perfect a live album release as they come. Flawless high level musicianship, a high quality sound production, great tracklist and concert flow and a receptive and active audience to give the release that crucial final boost. If you are not familiar with Devin Townsend's work, "The Retinal Circus" could be a great place to start listening. It's a release that perfectly displays his eclectic approach to writing music but at the same time also displays the red musical thread that goes through his entire discography. Be it as a solo artist or as part of a band. A 5 star (100%) rating is deserved.

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 Ziltoid the Omniscient by TOWNSEND, DEVIN album cover Studio Album, 2007
4.19 | 429 ratings

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Ziltoid the Omniscient
Devin Townsend Experimental/Post Metal

Review by siLLy puPPy

5 stars A solo project in the truest sense from DEVIN TOWNSEND where he presents ZILTOID THE OMNISCIENT, an album so hilarious and creative that it could have even been worthy of being in Zappa's discography. This is a concept album about a pretentious alien named Ziltoid who hails from the planet Ziltoida 9 and for some reason he decides to travel all the way to Earth in order to find the universe's ultimate cup of coffee. Yeah, a little far-fetched but in a good way. This reminds me of those Looney Tunes with Bugs Bunny and that Martian dude when he was trying to blow up planets and always got foiled by that wiley wabbit.

Devin played every single instrument on this album including the drum programming from a software program called Drumkit From Hell which was graciously provided to him by Frederik Thordendal of Meshuggah. He also wrote all the music, mixed and produced it. Devin admits that he basically withdrew from the world for four months and worked incessantly on this album in the Ziltoid cave ironing out every detail and to great success I declare.

The album flows brilliantly. This is basically first and foremost a story to be told with the music accompanying it appropriately, so maybe this could be considered a heavy metal musical of sort. An accomplished mix of his aggressive Strapping Young Lads days mixed with his more ambient solo works. Lots of nods to different types of metal in here as well. All in all a well-executed delivery system of one of the most ridiculous album themes ever to be released. In addition to creating the perfect musical accompaniment, Devin nails all the vocalizations in their corresponding roles as well, but I have to admit that when the Planet Smasher's voice enters the cast I keep expecting him to say "ME WANT COOKIE!"

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 Addicted (Devin Townsend Project) by TOWNSEND, DEVIN album cover Studio Album, 2009
3.86 | 262 ratings

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Addicted (Devin Townsend Project)
Devin Townsend Experimental/Post Metal

Review by Kevman28

5 stars I have been a huge fan of Dev music since the day I saw Krusher interview him on Noisy Mother's before the release of 'Heavy as a really heavy thing' by SYL. I then had the pleasant suprise of discovering his work on Vai's 'Sex & religion'. This guy obviously had talent, and found a way to be creative down multiple avenues. SYL released the anger with stunning results, and his solo efforts such as 'Ocean Machines' and 'Infinity' offered a more controlled style which showcased his more melodic (but still heavy) side. Then came 'Terria' which is one of the only albums which has that humbling effect and can reduce a grown man to tears (deep peace). Think of the way Gilmour's solo in Comfortably numb sends shivers down your spine! Before I sound too much up Dev's butt, I did wonder if he had past his best after that. SYL for me tried too hard after the excellent self titled 'SYL' and it all got a bit samey, probably why they have disbanded now. Also Dev's next few solo works had the same 'similar but not quite hitting the spot' feel to them. 'Accelerated Evolution' being the main culprit there with 'Synchestra' a massive improvement. (Ziltoid is not worth a mention! Sorry Dev)

Anyway, enough of my proverbial B.S. - After a break Dev came up with the idea of a quadrilogy of music, each with a different sound and musicians. First he gave us 'Ki'. A rocky, Jazzy album which is all about the musicianship. A very different sound for Dev and some great experamentation. Secondly we have 'Addicted'. Like the title says 'WOW'!!!!! This CD seriously amazed me from the first listen and just gets better and better from there. It is catchy, fun, very heavy, and the tracks blend together so well. Don't let yourself be kidded into thinking this is a pop album by some of the reviews - it is far from it! The album is still Devy and still has his trademark heavy sound with a wall of soundscapes behind it creating an amazingly atmospheric and enjoyable album. We also have the addition of Anneke van Giersbergen (ex The Gathering). I have to admit I don't really go for female singers in rock (Nothing sexist but just a personal preference) but my god this girl can sing!!! Not only that she really makes this album come alive. There are only a handful of tracks featuring her talents but they really stand out and leave you begging for more. Thankfully we get more with 'Epicloud'!

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 Deconstruction (Devin Townsend Project) by TOWNSEND, DEVIN album cover Studio Album, 2011
3.87 | 357 ratings

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Deconstruction (Devin Townsend Project)
Devin Townsend Experimental/Post Metal

Review by Kevman28

2 stars This wins the 'most dissapointing album of the year' prize hands down, with Ghosts coming in a close second. Devin is a genius in all he does, and makes album after album of great music - until now. There is nothing about this release that gives that same feeling you get from a Dev album. I have been a fan since the days of Vai, through strapping etc, and this one baffles me. What a load of..... And to think how good Ki and Addicted were?! Something tells me taking on 4 releases was too much and he ran out of steam mid-way. Ghost is awful too and should be no more than an experimental fan CD. I can see what he was aiming for but it is not anywhere near his usual standard.

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 Epicloud (Devin Townsend Project) by TOWNSEND, DEVIN album cover Studio Album, 2012
3.92 | 240 ratings

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Epicloud (Devin Townsend Project)
Devin Townsend Experimental/Post Metal

Review by Billy Pilgrim

4 stars This album has grown on me a great deal since it's release. It's easy listening compared to most of Devins other work, Ghost excluded of course, and at first it was just a bit too easy easy listening. But it clicks, and while it is far from perfect, some of these songs are just too nice to hear to put this album down as much as I might like to when pitted up against some of Devins other work. Grace, Angel and the revamp of Kingdom were the standouts for me on first hearing, three incredibly good songs. Everything else sounded so formulated, almost like praise and worship music. As horrible as that sounds, it works, the songs are simple, and structured in the typical verse chorus verse routine. After being on a Devin Townsed kick and listening to the challenging albums like Terria and Synchestra, Epicloud is a welcome break, and at least, something truly unique to what Devin has done in the past, on top of the great songs Grace, Angel, and Kingdom, Save Our Now, Hold On, Divine, Lucky Animals, Libration, all very good tracks, strong album from start to finish, and something to pick up if you wanna hear a different side of Devin Townsend.

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 Terria by TOWNSEND, DEVIN album cover Studio Album, 2001
4.21 | 511 ratings

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Terria
Devin Townsend Experimental/Post Metal

Review by Norbert

2 stars Terria is the fifth solo album by Canadian musician Devin Townsend. As a progressive rock fan, I have taken chances on albums I have never heard of prior to investigating ProgArchives. In most cases they paid off in a big way, but some (not many) records leave me scratching my head wondering if I am listening to the same album that my fellow reviewers are. This particular album unfortunately masssively falls in the second category. Actually, I regret that I have not taken the reviews of Greenback and Gatot more seriously, it could save some good money for me... Devin Townsend's music is deeply rooted in grunge and industrial metal and that can be confirmed by listening, both styles are very much dominating his music. The secretary in the office, who asked me whether I was listening to some Foo Fighters was not that terribly wrong. What he is trying to do is to mix all this rather noisy music with some symphonic-alike sounds, but actually this sounds rather new agey or ambient, than really symphonic. The music is not very melodic, in fact most of the music I hear do not sound like having a melody. And the riffs are hardly the best I have ever heard. Devin Townsend' voice for most of the time is angry and agressive, often he really sounds like Dave Grohl from the Foo Fighters. In the better and more quiet moments he sounds halfway between Dave Gilmour and James LaBrie. There are some relatively enjoyable tracks here, especially Deep Peace and The Fluke, but altogether I can clearly say that It is not I who cannot penetrate these relatively easily accessible tracks, it is the relatively accessible tracks that have a hard time penetrating the shell of my indifference. The only feeling what this album really brings to me is some mild annoyance, that I am wasting my time while I could listen to something that I truly enjoy. I have listened this alabum at least 10 times, so probaly my opinion is not going to change radically anymore. One more thing, on my copy released by InsideOut I can read: "File under Metal". So not "File under Progressive Metal" like in the case by other bands of this label. Well, as I understand the term "progreesive metal" I agree with the label, that this is not really progressive metal, but probably not a terrible example of ambient influenced, grunge and industrial based modern metal, and it has some enjoyable passages even if not too many, so a 2 stars is my rating.

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 The Retinal Circus by TOWNSEND, DEVIN album cover Live, 2013
4.62 | 27 ratings

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The Retinal Circus
Devin Townsend Experimental/Post Metal

Review by kev rowland
Special Collaborator Crossover Team

5 stars Over the years I have been lucky enough to hear most of what this mad Canadian has released, and what I have learned to expect is actually not to expect anything but just go along for the ride. His mind obviously works on a totally different plane to the rest of us, and the only person I have ever compared him to is Phil Spector, as here is yet another genius who creates a wall of sound all of his own making. So when I heard that there was going to be a double CD (plus associated blue-ray and DVD versions) released of his 'musical' I knew that I was going to be in for a treat. The word 'musical' is in inverted commas, as there is no real storyline and to be honest it is just a whole load of songs put together from different periods (including the mighty Strapping Young Lad) that gave him excuse to put together a stage show quite different from anything he had undertaken previously.

Devin actually admits as much during the performance, but he takes it all to a new level with the use of loads of guests outside of the core band, but not all of these are musical. And it is this that is so frustrating with this album for me, and the clue is right there in the title of this. 'Retinal' is an adjective pertaining to the word 'retina', which is a delicate, multilayered, light- sensitive membrane lining the inner eyeball and connected by the optic nerve to the brain. All the time I am playing this I keep feeling that I am missing out on something visually, so I went onto YouTube and checked out the official video for 'Grace'. Some time later I managed to get my jaw back into place from where it had dislocated while I sat there open mouthed not quite believing what I was seeing. As well as a top metal band, he has brought Anneke van Giersbergen back, and although I can hear that on the CD, I wasn't able to see the video of Steve Vai providing the verbal introduction, the double jointed acrobats on stage, the gospel choir, the guys with angle grinders shooting sparks over the stage and so very much more.

I went back to the CD feeling a little disappointed, but to be honest I soon got over it as I put 'Planet Smasher' on at speaker damaging volumes (I've always been a sucker for Ziltoid). Once I had accepted that there was more to it than I could hear I instead concentrated on just the music instead of what I might be missing, and what we have here is an aural feast. Anneke has a wonderful voice, and relishes playing the part of being the light against all of the shade. This music is really heavy, very bottom end, and she plays a huge part in making it sound complete.

What we have here are 25 songs, more than 2 hours in length, and a show that must have created huge waves when it was performed last year. This is a masterpiece, and I am sure that the full blu-ray (which I have yet to buy, but is now definitely on my list) is stunning. Somehow, even though I feel that part of it is missing, I can't bring myself to score this any less than 5 *'s, as it truly is one of the most remarkable live albums I have ever come across.

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 The Retinal Circus by TOWNSEND, DEVIN album cover DVD/Video, 2013
4.43 | 23 ratings

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The Retinal Circus
Devin Townsend Experimental/Post Metal

Review by rdtprog
Collaborator Heavy Prog Team

5 stars Devin Townsend was thinking about this project for years, and it finally came true in 2012, here he can have for prosperity his Broadway musical "The Retinal Circus". This theatrical production has a story that was supposed to illustrate his 20 years career. How the artist can put in a story the music of different parts of his career when every album has his own story? We can think that the story is secondary compare to the music. He wanted to give some entertaining value to the music that is already pleasant to hear. So we got a big production here with costumes, plenty of characters, visual objects, a choir. The musicians had the task to keep their focus on their music while there were a lot of things going on in the stage. Steve Vai, a long time friend of Devin is doing the narration between songs to explain the story of the evolution of man through the mind of Mr. Townsend, which include the invasion of aliens.

The music is intense as usual with 3 different kinds of songs: the complex prog songs, the quiet and dark ones, and the heavy ones; 2 Strapping Young Lads songs, with the original guitar player, Jed Simon. The vocals of Anneke Van Giersbergen are well worth the price of admission here by giving more melodic feel to the music. You can here and see the results of this in the simple song "Ih-Ah!". The set list is well crafted with a balance set of songs of different moods and you never get bored during this 2 hours and forty minutes show.

The final scene is really special with the recreation of a living room where every band members pass through a door and gets a rest while Devin sings his little acoustic piece "Little Pig". It's impressive to know that this big production was done on low budget and that the man is still sticking to his ideas despite the lack of funds. I hope this efforts serve him in the future and help the band to have more recognition because, the man has a lot of others ideas to bring to the world of the experimental metal scene, and need plenty of money if he want to do others big productions! I have to give 5 stars here, because it's the first time we can see a document of that nature and that proportion in the metal world.

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